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gsa talking about washington culture and what it could mean, the free market policy, and will they get away with it? >> and the taxpayer is put to the the test for the primary campaign defeat a political giant? welcome to the the journal, editorial report. i'm paul gigot, another week, another government scandal. this time the secret service reeling from allegations that many as 11 agents, hotels and prostitutes prior to president obama's visit there. and followed that the general services administration followed a junket to las vegas in 2010 that cost taxpayers close to a million dollars. both scandals clinging to the narrative of a bloated and
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dysfunctional federal government. so, is that fair? >> let's ask the wall street journal columnist. and dorothy, let's start with the secret service, incompetence in government is not new. it's an old story, so, why does the secret service scandal trouble you? >> well, if it's troubling, it's fascinating and it's not incompetence, it's a loss of the mystique of many of the important things that were connected with governance itself. with the white house and everything that we used on the face of the security detail, e the, who were the heroes. >> they were in the-- sense they were an elite force. >> it was the untouchables, people you thought you might want to be, and suddenly they're not the buttoned down guy. a battalion's worth not just two
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people, floating around and drinking absolute vodka and cheating the prostitutes of minor, these are not minor matters, they're not richard gere, treating the prostitute in pretty woman. >> and bringing them into the security perimeter. and the guys will take a bullet for the president and some of them have. i think of tim mccarthy and shot along with president reagan. >> yeah. >> now, we think of them as an elite unit and keeping them in perspective and i'm not sure it's the first time an elite force descended on a bordello, but the fact that this was said, during the the mission and the president's itinerary, kind of lying around while they're engaging in this. i think shocking for people who often look at groups like the secret service, like an elite military unit and part of the department of the that works, so the fact that-- >> it's not just a matter of
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personal security, it's an issue of national security here, what if this happened, say, in moscow or beijing or in south korea. we have enemies out there who are trying to compromise people who are close to the president like this. >> and themselves-- >> absolutely. >> what does this tell us about the culture, dan, of the secret service, do you think it's fair whether this happened once or is it hard to believe that it happened only once? >> i think there should be a serious investigation and it's hard to think you have a breakdown and discipline among an elite corps like this and raises the question whether mar sullivan should be sacked or actually has-- >> as the head of the secret service. >> as the head of the secret service. >> i don't want to go back to foreign history, but i think this had a beginning a long while ago. the first night clinton spent the night in the white house, guests were jumping up and down
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on the lincoln bed. >> how does this have any sense-- >> attached to a role in government. there's a freedom of convention, a sense of freedom of sanctity about things attached to service of government. >> all right. moving on to the general services administration, a million bucks for a party, it's a lot of money for a party and it's not a lot of money for washington. >> no, in terms of coverage charge. >> and why are people so upset about this? >> well, i think, i think our colleague peggy noonen hit it on the head, it's not a surprise they're wasting money, but the kind of the way they're throwing our money away and laughing about it. i worked brief in government and i've got to say there were a lot of people i disagreed with on policy terms, but my impression, they were generally publicly spirited people, trying to make america a et better place and what you see in the gsa.
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the people are enjoying living high on the hog and amused by it. >> a sense of invulnerability, the videos show, look, i'm in government, and i'm living high on the hog and you sad taxpayers can't do anything about it, so there. >> yeah, there's something to that. but, i mean, the question is, it's a scandal in las vegas not happened. are we supposed to go, well, everything is okay with government? i mean, this was about waste and fraud and abuse and something that goes on in a government 4 1/2 trillion dollars budget. >> 3 1/2. >> 3 1/2, trying to maintain efficiency in this sprawling government, it's hard to credit. >> is it fair to use these examples to say, you know what? there's something larger wrong in government or washington? >> yes, yes. i do think that the sense of revolutionary change has fillered down, there's a kind of loosening of freedom.
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anything is possible now. and we've always had fraud, we've always had waste, always had this kind of thing and what we haven't always had is the sense of the guilt free jaunt. if you have the head of this agency e-mails saying i know i'm bad, but, hey, my wife and i said to each other it's our opportunity now and it's not going to last forever. that's a complete sense of separation of offense of duty. >> does this affect president obama? he's not responsible for the-- >> he's not responsible for the gsa. >> he's not responsible for any of the individual's action, but he's the one in the current political debate making the case every day that government works and we need more of it so it needs to be bigger and so this is a problem for him. repeated examples how it doesn't work, it's too big and spng too much. i think it's going to give momentum to efforts by ron johnson and tom coburn in the senate for federal pay. and there are entitlements and
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other things that need to be cut as well. if the debate is school lunches, but debate is gsa, conservatives who want to cut government tend to win. >> so mitt romney should make this an issue in the election, i really do. in in fact, the president is trying to stance himself. he's the president, he has to bear some direct responsibility for it. it's an issue. >> and the left plays the race card in an effort to shut down a conservative policy group and it seems to be working. the details are next. wake up! that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. fohalf the calories plus vgie nutrition.
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and very left wing activist lft by van jones and his group, color of change are bullying big business to cut off funding for it, claiming the organization is racist because of the support for voter i.d. laws and so-called stand your ground statutes which have become controversial in the wake of trayvon martin killing in florida. so far the campaign appears to be working with companies like coca-cola, wendy's and kraft cutting ties. >> and most of our viewers, i don't think, have probably heard of the american legislative exchange council. what is it? and why is it under attack? >> well, it's pretty much what you've just described. it's an association of conservative lathes. >> about 2000 in all. >> 2000 of them. and they report in 1973 and i have to tell you, paul, we've been publishing for the activity throughout that period. >> for literally decades. >> and the state legislatures get together and talk about what
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state legislators do. >> for things like welfare reform or-- >> sure. >> the idea that it's indiana and try it in california? >> right, this is what you expect and want your legislators to do and certainly, they're doing it from a conservative point of view. >> right. >> all of a sudden, you've got to keep in mind in 2010, the republicans wanted 675 legislative seats and took over legislators, legislatures in place like alabama and north carolina, which they hadn't controlled since reconstruction and i think, the left feels that republicans are making too many gains at the state level and they threaten the status quo, public unions and the like. >> and why play this game of saying, because you support voter i.d. and because you support stand your ground legislation, it's controversial, no question about it, in the wake of trayvon martin and passed for 26 or some states with a lot of democratic
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governors signing legislation? >> well, it's also a lot more limited from what you might think. and stand your ground is sort of a blanket right for people to start blazing away when they feel scared or threatened. >> and zimmerman has been ind t indict indicted. >>, but it's beyond this particular case, it's basically whether you have an affirmative duty to flee defending yourself. >> and why going after the ideas and they're not because the ideas are winners, and that's the irony, here, why were all the corporations supporting alec, because it's not a fringe, bomb throwing group. mainstream yet left of center, pushing ideas broadly popular to reform state government and business. >> if you want business to shut off funding you try to make the
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group disrepreseutabldisreputab. >> and this is the worst to happen. >> the court case in 2010 that said that unions and corporations could give to independent political groups. >> i mean, surely, we all recall how crazy they went when the supreme court handed down citizens united. >> and you could give to alec before citizens united. >> there's a website alec and they describe it voting behind closed doors, to rewrite laws for corporations and helping huge corporations, they hate corporations, they are the ones they're trying to push out of the political process. >> and, but if the corporations don't, aren't able to give to groups like this and give to the chamber of commerce and national association of manufacturers, who does it leave the field for, for the trial lawyers and environmentalists and labor unions, don't we want free speech and competition, and
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political ideas? >> no, i think the goal here is unfair competition, it's to silence the voices that are saying, let's reform government and let's have open markets that don't allow economic growth and this is really going to be amazing if you look at the van jones, who is, i think, by anyone's reasonable definition, a radical in political terms. >> and going for change. if's able to run out polite society, a group that's much closer to the mainstream of american political views, it's an assistanting media, it's interesting so many victims are, coke, and they said, well, we supported awill being when it was just supporting our issues and that's controversial and we'll cut and run and that's the sort of thing that will unlevel the political playing field. >> well, color of change was playing the race card and a lot of the companies like coke have big markets in the inner city and obviously, they're going to get-- >> they don't want the brand
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name associated with controversy. >> especially not racial controversy. >> when we come back, in a big test of the political muscle, they take on a senate giant. can they defeat luger in the primary and hold onto the the seat in the fall? our panel debates next. aspirin for pain? aspirin is just old school. people will have doubts about taking aspirin for pain. that's why we developed bayer advanced aspirin with micro particles. it enters the bloodstream fast and rushes relief to the site of pain. we know it works. now we're challenging you to put it to the test. we're giving away one hundred thousand bottles absolutely free through april 25th. so you can try it yourself and tell us what you think. visit to get your free bottle. so you can try it yourself and tell us what you think. an accident doesn't have to slow you down.
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>> well, he's one of the longest serving members of the united states senate and hasn't had a primary challenger since he first won election in 1976. after six terms, indiana republican richard luger is in the fight for his political life with just over two weeks ago until the may 8th primary. polls show him running neck and neck with his opponent, two term state senator who has the support of tea party groups and club for growth and the national
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rival association. the assistant editor of the opinion website and she's been covering the race for us. so, alicia, what's the case that more dock and the tea party groups are making against senator luger? >> they're saying that he's part of the establishment and been there too long, been there for 35 years and time to get him out. >> okay, what are the issues that they're citing that say, okay, this is why he's got to go? >> well, for instance, he voted against the ear mark ban. he supports corn ethanol subsidies, he's helped to sponsor the dream act. >> which is the bill that would allow some kids who go to college, to go to college, even if-- >> citizenship. >> for illegals. >> and the negotiations and starts the deal and he voted for tarp, and bank blourailouts, ane list goes on and on. >> he's not alone. >> no, a number. >> and he did not vote for
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obamacare, he did not support cap and trade and i mean, he's a generally a conservative guy. is it, is it really a function of agent energy or works too closely with people across the aisle? >> i think that's it. he gives kind of a bipartisan sheen to a lot of president obama's priorities. >> particularly on foreign policy. >> foreign policy, exactly. >> how would luger fight back? >> well, he's saying that all of these outside groups, national outside groups are pouring? >> and part of indiana. >> exactly, call for growth, n.r.a., freedom works. >> does he have any issues against mordock. >> no, he's not pounding on the issues, substantive issues, it's just the outside groups. >> now, governor mitch daniels, popular republican governor two terms in indiana, he's backing luger. >> yeah, and mr. daniels worked in a-- dick luger's office for a number
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of years, but mr. daniels also feels that the senator is one of the best or can reach across the aisle and he's that-- >> okay, so what does it tell us, dan, about the culture that modern republican party, the state, the condition of the p r party. the debate. >> it's the battle among the conservatives and so-called establishment and we saw this through the presidential primary, there are groups like freeman works who think that the republican party ought to be more clearly conservative than it is. and i think that's a perfectly legitimate decision, i'm for political competition and the lug lug luger-moredock fight is that. and they're looking at hatch, on as they do in 2010 and-- >> the irony, lugar is still popular in indiana, it's not that people dislike him.
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it's a state politics, a case of his popularity against the sort of insurgent energy, people who want a little differentage for the republican party to fight harder on for ideas. >> and that's really what is coming up against, it's really hard to beat up on grandpa. he needs the-- >> and that's he puts it, the beloved figure, he risks a backlash by beating up on him. >> james, what do you think about the prospects for lugar? >> i don't know, because a lot of democrats certainly, but also establishment republicans watching and hoping that 2012 is this-- >> just like. >> 2010. >>, but what we saw in 2010, an electorate that wants smaller government now and they want change agents. >> some of the change agents that the tea party picked, in nevada and delaware, went on in the general election, is lugar making the argument that the
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seat will be harder to old if moredock wins the primary? >> because, because of what happened in nevada and in colorado, a number of states. >> if they're making that case, it's credible here. what kind after candidate is he? he's he a state treasurer so he's got substance there. >> he's not a-- he's competent, capable and conservative. >> he's not a rock star like marco rubio. >> charismatic. >> no, but he could do a good job. >> could he keep a seat in november? >> i think so, different the republican strains in 2010, winning a couple of congressional seats and the house. >> and the senate, too, okay, thanks, we have to take one more break, when we come back. hits and misses of the week. most life insurance companies look at you and just see a policy.
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>> time now for hits and misses of the week. dorothy? >> yes, a miss to the editor of the los angeles times for having published pictures of the u.s. soldier standing before the mutilated corpses of the suicide bombers, even no the state department asked them not to do so. and if american soldiers are killed because of the photographs, we can thank mr. maharaj for publishing them along with his conspicuously rehe volting explanation. >> paul: all right. dorothy. james. >> a miss to gomez for putting up for reelection to the board of directors, long time fannie mae ceo jim johnson, one of the architects of the financial crisis, and also, paul, where are all of these corporate governance experts on this case? if architect of the financial crisis being reappointed now to the goldman board. >> all right, dan. >> dick clark, a hit, needless to say, for a guy never looked
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over a day of 45, and never thought he do die. founded american band stand in 1957. and dick clark, incredibly was older than elvis and through all of those years, remained the same cheerful soul. a welcome constant in often turbulent times. >> paul: if you have your own hit or miss, please send it to and on the web that's it for this week's edition of the journal editorial report and thanks to my panel and for all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot and hope to see you here next week. >> on fox news watch. >> what happened here in colombia is being investigated. >> a scandal involving the


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